These are pretty good, I had an ordered another style previously that was a little bit of a lightweight, and a slightly shorter walking short than I had hoped after watching some content somebody had suggested going up size to ensure that they would hang a little bit looser and lower this style is a bit fuller. It’s quite nice actually and I did order a size up so I normally would probably wear an 810 and I ordered the 12 it is a bit oversized and it is very much like a full pleated dress pant top cut to a slightly below the knee style and then with the oversize it hangs a little bit nicely lower so again really cute. Excited to try it on.